... is a thread at comp.lang.python: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/e70caea8954643ee/ddaece06f36d4431?lnk=raot#ddaece06f36d4431 I am sure some of you (especially the Dabo folks) can post a better reaction than as I did. Is Pythoncard dead? Stani