[wx-discuss] new project hosting provider... me?

[Kevin Ollivier]

Hi Robin,

I would personally be very glad to see this happen and put some cash  
towards the effort. I was struck by how easily and how often they  
refactor things on the WebKit project, and part of the reason for  
that is that SVN makes it much easier to do things like move files  
around while keeping SVN history. If I could have done that (without  
involving dotsrc.org) for the wxMac listctrl, I would have renamed  
src/generic/listctrl.cpp to listctrlg.cpp to be consistent with the  
rest of the tree. I'd also have moved old scripts and such in distrib  
into an "old_files" folder or similar so as not to confuse people as  
to what is being used currently and what is old.

That's not to mention nice tools such as being able to set a file's  
line endings (for, e.g., MSVS projects) without making it binary, and  
of course not having to worry about adding binary files (e.g. images)  
and forgetting to specify the -kb tag. Nor do you get a hard-to-read  
diff when you forget -bu2.... Especially for SoC branches and the  
like, I think SVN would save people a lot of pain as their designs  
and plans are continually refactored.

So count me in on this. :-)

Thanks,

Kevin

On May 25, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Robin Dunn wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for cross-posting, but I wanted to make sure that everybody  
> in the community sees this message.  Please send follow ups to the  
> wx-discuss list.
>
> Over the past few months I've become increasingly dissatisfied with  
> dotsrc.org as a project hosting provider.  We currently have CVS  
> and the mail lists there, but I've never moved anything else to  
> their servers because they still haven't convinced me that it would  
> be worth the effort, even when sourceforge was having serious  
> reliability troubles. Lately they have been taking longer and  
> longer to respond to support requests, (one request a couple months  
> ago sat there for almost two weeks until one of us gave them step- 
> by-step instructions on how to do it) and they still haven't  
> started officially supporting subversion, something they have  
> saying for years now will be "ready soon."
>
> I looked at a number of free alternatives, but they all boil down  
> to the same problem - those services that do offer reliable service  
> are typically slow (like SF.net), or there's some catch involved  
> (Google Code's license restrictions).  So, I started thinking about  
> using my own server instead, which has been very snappy and  
> reliable. (It's currently hosting http://wxpython.org and http:// 
> wiki.wxpython.org, and is located at a colocation facility with  
> tier-1 connectivity.)  The issue with this idea is that hosting the  
> wxWidgets SVN repository (and perhaps eventually the mail lists and  
> web site too) would probably take up a fair amount of the resources  
> on my host, and to be on the safe side I should probably upgrade my  
> hosting plan, which will cost about an extra $15/month.
>
> Which brings me to my question for the community.  How many of you  
> feel that it'd be worth donating a few bucks to get, among other  
> things, faster source code checkouts and SVN support? (Finally!)   
> If we also move the mail lists and archives then we can switch back  
> to Mailman and dump *@^$# ezmlm.
>
> I'd be interested in whether you are willing, and also what amount  
> you would feel comfortable in donating.  Ideally it should be an  
> amount that doesn't hurt, there should be enough people donating  
> that everybody could contribute just the cost of a few lattes and  
> we would have plenty and some to spare.  No need to think of this  
> request as making a commitment yet, I just want to get a gut feel  
> for feasibility.  We can also discuss other possible solutions.   
> BTW, most of what I paid for the first year of service at my  
> current level was paid with contributions that the wxPython users  
> have made, although none of them knew that's what the money was  
> going to be used for.
>
> In the meantime, I'll see if I can do a test run of converting a  
> snapshot of the CVS repository and setting up the server, so that  
> we can get a better feel for resource utilization and response  
> times.  The last time I played with converting from CVS to SVN a  
> couple years ago, I remember it taking a few hours, but most of  
> that was scripts crunching data.  When it was finished, the SVN  
> repo had over 45K revisions in it.  So doing it again will be good  
> practice for the real thing.
>
> -- 
> Robin Dunn
> Software Craftsman
> http://wxPython.org  Java give you jitters?  Relax with wxPython!
>
>
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